Gossip [&] the Devil

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“If you happen to be of the other mindset, that judges artistic merit on mass acceptance, then you are probably reading the wrong interview and blog.”

Being that Gossip [&] the Devil is an equal opportunity interview slayer, when Kill Hannah’s new touring guitarist, Michael Maddox (who prefers to be called by his surname), asked me to interview him I couldn’t say no. You might remember the other interview I conducted with then-touring guitarist Gil Baram a few months ago. What the fuck? You ask. Yes, raccoon-eyed girls and guys, Maddox is now on the touring grind with Kill Hannah. (In short: Gil returned to Israel briefly to finish some personal business while Kill Hannah were still on tour; Maddox filled in during that time and has stayed with them since.) Before touring with Kill Hannah, however, Maddox was part of regionally successful acts Jupiter Blue and Miser, both of which met their end due to lack of work ethic and that sad state of affairs when you aren’t getting paid.

I remember handing Maddox my card in the rain outside an open venue in Austin, TX. He claimed he gave a great interview and, after hearing his responses to everything from word association to what the humanities have to offer the next generation I’ll submit the guy is right. I threw him some of the hardest questions I could, and he answered them with tact and above all, honesty.

Raised in Texas before reloacting to LA, he has a Southern grace about his California style. The band circuit has failed him on more than one occasion, yet those experiences have hardly dampened his passion; he instead channeled that drive into a solo project. Taking inspiration from family members and other hardworking bands, Maddox does whatever it takes to keep the music coming, help preserve a culture that likely won’t be appreciated in the near future and urges you to “forge your own path regardless of current trends.”

Age: In Hollywood I’m 29, in any other town, I’m a little older.
Sign: Sagittarius
Occupation: Guitarist
Biggest Influences: Brian May, Ace Frehley, Neal Schon, Steve Vai

Musical Synopsis: I began playing on Christmas morning when I was 12 yrs old.  I took two lessons when I was about 14, but got bored pretty quickly and continued learning by ear. Also a lot of trial and error. I essentially just practiced playing along to records that I grew up listening to. A lot of classic rock that I got from my older brother and dad, as well as some of the heavier stuff like Metallica, Judas Priest, etc. I was obsessed with rock and roll right away, and obviously never really wised up all these years later.

I was playing in the Dallas area for quite a while, and wasn’t getting anywhere. The majority of players I was playing with seemed to want to do it part time, or had so many other priorities that I felt like the only one really breaking my neck to make things happen. I moved to LA with a girlfriend that I was also playing with, that lasted about 3 months, of course. Then I decided to do my own thing.

Julie M. Tate: Have you always been a freelance musician? Have you done your fair share of auditioning for bands?

Michael Maddox: I’ve actually not gone on that many true “cold auditions” per say. I have gotten most of my gigs through mutual friends, recommendations, and reputation. I have really tried hard to only play with people, or in bands that I really enjoyed. It would be very difficult for me to dedicate myself to something that I didn’t believe in, or at  least SOME aspect of the overall picture. The only time I’ve ever gone out for an audition that I didn’t  get, was actually the Kill Hannah audition. I lost the lead guitar slot, but apparently came in a close second, so when Dan Wiese decided to get married, I was asked to fill in for him for a few weeks, which turned into me staying on with the band even after Dan returned.

JMT: One of these gigs included Jupiter Blue, who moved from Chicago to LA. What brought you together with them?

MM: It was actually only the singer [Dickie Chapin] that relocated. I saw an ad online about a band looking for a drummer, and by the description it really sounded like my dream band. I checked out some music, the singer was exactly what I’d been looking for my whole career. I emailed him, and told him that I was a terrible drummer, but if some unfortunate accident happened to their guitarist, i.e., a faulty brake cable or some other random mishap, that I’d be glad to take over. As fate would have it, a week later I got a call that their guitarist was moving back home, and that they had a show in a week. I rehearsed twice with them, played the show, and stayed with them for the next 3 or 4 years until the band ended.

Maddox on the set of Jupiter Blue's video for their single "Anthem for the Jaded"

JMT: And Jupiter Blue has a long and sordid history with your current touring band, Kill Hannah, right?

MM: As I said Dickie is originally from Chicago, Kill Hannah’s hometown. They played a lot of shows together as both bands were getting started, and as a matter of fact he played a show or two with them behind the kit, as he is originally a drummer. An early Kill Hannah drummer named James Connelly, was also the first drummer in Jupiter Blue when I joined in LA. There is a long list of mutual friends in the circle as well. While I was in Jupiter Blue, when we would discuss or argue about why the band wasn’t moving further, or faster, I would always point to two bands that displayed an incredible work ethic: Miser and Kill Hannah. The fact that I eventually went on to work with both bands is more than a little ironic.

“I can honestly say that having support from family is a huge advantage when you’re struggling to survive playing music.”

JMT: You moved back to Texas after your nephew was in a motorcycle accident, giving up what you had in LA. Have you always been close with your family and do they support your dreams?

MM: I am very close with my family, and have always been. My nephew was paralyzed in a motorcycle accident last year, so I decided to move back to Texas to help out with him. It turned out he didn’t really need my help, and is doing fine on his own. So, luckily I got a call from the band Miser to join them, which I did for a bit before moving back to LA.

My parents are still married, which is a rarity these days. They have not always been thrilled with my lifestyle or career choices but have always backed me, and been ecstatic about any successes I’ve achieved. I can honestly say that having support from family is a huge advantage when you’re struggling to survive playing music.

JMT: I’m sure watching your nephew come back from such a potential tragedy was inspiring.

MM: My nephew was and is absolutely an inspiration. It makes it difficult to complain or not see the bright side of any situation when i think about what he struggles with everyday. He hasn’t let being in a wheelchair stop him from having a completely full life, and he stays in excellent shape with his upper body in the hope that when and if stem cell technologies advance he will be a perfect candidate.

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JMT: Miser, as you explained in your Myspace blog, met its demise because no one was making money. Then you made the curious decision to make a solo record, almost in complete defiance of that sentiment. Where are those songs now, and can we hear them?

MM: I really had come to a place with other musicians in general, where I felt like it didn’t matter how much effort I put into it, it would always be derailed by someone else’s lack of drive. When I decided to do a solo record, it was really just the idea of me saying, “fuck being in a band, I’m going to produce something that didn’t rely on anyone else’s dedication or schedule other than my own.” I have about 10 songs in the works now, I don’t know when I will have the time to continue working on them in the foreseeable future, but I’m really proud of them and would like them to be heard eventually. I’m not interested in pushing them as a product, it really is just sort of a pet project up to this point. It’s been nothing but Kill Hannah for the last few months, and I’m so happy to be in a band that truly works incredibly hard everyday for the same goal. It’s really the ideal band situation I’ve always looked for, so I don’t mind at all putting my pet project on the back burner for a while.

“Hopefully, things will continue to go well…but if not I really don’t have the desire to run out and join another band.”

JMT: Are you looking for a permanent gig to write/record with?

MM: This sort of feeds back into my earlier answer about being fed up with bands in general. When I came to Los Angeles after playing with Miser,  I had no intention of getting back into a band situation, unless it was just a very comfortable fit and was something I could really believe in. I really can’t think of any bands I would have gone out of my way to play with besides Kill Hannah. Hopefully, things will continue to go well with them, but if not I really don’t have the desire to run out and join another band. I would more likely return home to work on my solo material.

JMT: Kill Hannah usually have murderous touring schedules. How’s tour been so far? The shows with She Wants Revenge seemed to have gone great, as well as your current tour with Jet and Papa Roach.

MM: The shows have been absolutely amazing. The tour schedule is very hectic, especially with us filling in the days off from the Papa Roach and Jet tour with our own headlining shows. This is a band that is not afraid to work though, I feel very lucky to be a part of such  a dedicated group of guys. I have to keep reminding myself that these guys have been at it a long time, so whenever I worry that maybe  someone is getting burnt out, that they have already proven themselves time and time again that they are dedicated to the work they do.  I’m just so used to band mates pulling the plug when things get a little rough, so again I feel very lucky to be working with a band  with such a great work ethic.

“I think the key thing in Kill Hannah, right now, is to keep it sounding like Kill Hannah, which means making it  sound the way Mat Devine hears in his head.”

JMT: Kill Hannah really are about growing their product, enhancing it and making it thicker, tighter and more productive. How do you help enhance Kill Hannah’s sound?

MM: I think the key thing in Kill Hannah, right now, is to keep it sounding like Kill Hannah, which means making it  sound the way Mat Devine hears in his head. I’ll take certain liberties with things like effects,  and occasionally I will throw in a few little things musically, but to be honest I usually hear about  it after the show. *laughs*  Other players have come in and not really fit the sound, so the way to do  it is to give them what they want now, and as time goes on, and they learn to trust my style things will  evolve organically.

Maddox with Kill Hannah, September 2009 (Photo by R. E. Barbash)

JMT: Are you neurotic? In Kill Hannah you have to be neurotic.

MM: Oh my god, do you think I’m neurotic? Why would you think I’m neurotic? Do I seem neurotic? I have to do something about this neurosis, what should I do? Does that answer your question?

JMT: What’s the first word that comes to mind when faced with the following words or phrases:

MM:

Miser: jager
Jupiter Blue: under utilized potential
Kill Hannah: hard working
Eyeliner: war paint
Profits: never heard of it.
Record Label President: never heard of us
Faygo: ridiculous

“It’s a real shame that kids today don’t  take the same interest generally in the details of the music they care about.”

JMT: Did you have a big record collection as a kid? Did it save your life?

MM: Oh yeah. I bought EVERYTHING. I was the guy that would buy all types of music,  just to get turned on to new things. I love owning entire catalogs from artists like Queen, or Zeppelin. I have about four huge racks of cd’s with a ton of vinyl and cassettes as well. I used to read every liner note,  every credit on every record that I bought while growing up. It’s a real shame that kids today don’t  take the same interest generally in the details of the music they care about. It’s interesting to me, that growing up, I only knew about 2 or 3 kids that were into the same movies, albums, and bands that I was. As I’ve gotten older, I seem to have gravitated towards like minded people, and now have a huge group of friends that were/are exactly like I was as a kid. Of course, we’ve all taken those influences and lived different lives through them, which is important. It’s exciting to find that common ground in a new friend though.

JMT: We’re in the Information Age and great works of art are reduced to entries on Wikipedia. Given your pursuit of your dreams both on your own and with others, do you believe the humanities are an important part in preserving our culture?

MM: I’m going to be really honest here, because it’s something that I think about a lot. I think that in a few years, nothing is going to be “special” to the next generation. The incredible sense of entitlement, in addition to instant information and technology at their  fingertips, means that future generations will have no interest in cultivating anything original or artistic. Anything we can do as artists to keep  the sacredness of music, literature, and art alive is paramount. Every 12-year-old has a recording studio on their new laptop, that is light years beyond what The Beatles used to record Sgt. Pepper. Having said that, music has never been more stale and unoriginal. There is a correlation there. Stop buying new software that gives you fifty new drums sounds. Stop thinking that by owning Pro Tools, you are an artist. Stop thinking that getting new gear means you are becoming a better player.  We have to stop collecting technology as a bragging right, and go back to working on the craft of UTILIZING what we have in new and exciting ways.

Maddox and I happy to be alive in Lawrence, KS, October 2009

JMT: Do you think an artist’s job is important to the whole, or do you think an artist is self-serving first and foremost?

MM: I believe that to be a “true artist” you have to shun convention, and forge your own path regardless of current trends or  or what the current cultural momentum is. This is in direct contrast to being a “successful artist” in our world today. It’s not only  easier, but it’s been proven that almost the ONLY way to be a success, is to create carbon copies of the previous model and  water it down until it’s devoid of any real creativity. There is a way to take the things that influenced you as a younger person, and push it into new directions. Think outside the box, but reference what shaped you to become the person you are today. It’s a pretty exclusive group that seem to be able to do this. Marilyn Manson, Lady Gaga, Trent Reznor, Wayne Coyne and even Mat Devine are a few that come to mind, that possess this trait. This is all just my opinion, of course. If you happen to be of the other mindset, that judges artistic merit on mass acceptance, then you are probably reading the wrong interview and blog.

(Kill Hannah are currently on tour with Jet and Papa Roach. Check their Myspace or killhannah.com for details on this and their upcoming New Heart For Xmas show held annually in Chicago!)

The Flaming Lips, September 2009 (Photo by R. E. Barbash)

Photography is only recently coming into its own as an art form. But photography has cemented a place in the arts for some of the same reasons as painting: preservation. Two different sets of eyes using the same camera will capture different results. We are allowed a view from someone else’s perspective. Photographers freeze moments we’ll treasure forever; whether it’s that special magic during a show or your children running in the park, photography can grab a fistful of what the human eye must let go.

Rachael Barbash has been capturing the insanity at concerts for years, and many fans turn to her website to re-live the memories. While still a student at Columbia State Community College she’s logged countless experience and face time.

Rachael stubbornly pursues her dream despite making little to no money doing what she loves. The hundreds of photos she posts to her Flickr account are free for people to take and use. But, like musicians or painters she considers herself an important part of the humanities.

In the days when every 14-year-old in the world has a digital camera, what separates her from the masses who want photo passes and recognition on the scene? What separates those who do it for art vs. those who are hobbyists?  Rachael sheds some light on the subject below when I asked her a few questions about what makes photography an art form.

Years shooting: 7

Sign: Aries

Julie M. Tate: We’ll start easy. First band you ever shot?

R. E. Barbash: I was kind of late to come to the concert scene since I was a bit of a homebody in high school and lacked any serious form of transportation.  Once I left for college I started going to shows pretty regularly.  The first band I ever shot while performing was OKGo in 2001 with a little 35mm disposable camera.  Once I got a more professional camera, a 35mm Canon SLR, the first band I shot was Kill Hannah who was performing at an outdoor festival at Ohio State, where I was going to school at the time. I finally got my first digital SLR, a Canon Rebel, before the 2006 South by Southwest festival in Austin, TX. Thousands of band play there every year and is an amazing experience.

Kill Hannah, September 2009 (Photo By R. E. Barbash)

JMT: Who have been some of the easiest bands to shoot live? The hardest?

REB: By far the easiest band I’ve shot is Kill Hannah, partly because I’ve been to so many of their shows but also because their stage presence is probably the most engaging I’ve ever seen.  Recently I shot the Flaming Lips who were also amazing.

The hardest bands to photograph have definitely been on the recent Alternative Press tours (Mayday Parade, the Academy is…, Set Your Goals, You Me At Six and the Secret Handshake).  The guys never seem to take a pause and are just constantly running around the stage.  The kids at these shows are crazy though! Very fun.

JMT: What makes a band easy or difficult to photograph?

REB: It’s much easier to photograph a band if you know their music.  That way you can sort of guess what they’re going to do on stage and how a crowd might react to a song but you don’t always have that advantage.  I’ve shot some bands who just sound like noise (no matter how poppy they actually are) and I can’t guess their next move.  I’ll end up at the wrong side of the stage at the wrong time and miss amazing moments of their act.  Also, bands who look like they’re having fun and engage the audience area always the most enjoyable to shoot.

Innerpartysystem, January 2009 (Photo by R. E. Barbash)

JMT: You’ve been capturing concerts for years. I’m sure music had an impact on your life outside of the lens as well. Do you consider yourself an artist? If so, how has music in particular shaped the artist you are today, and who are some of your favorite artists personally? If not, what does photography do for you?

REB: More than an artist, I think of myself as capturing what’s already there and trying to show the beauty of the world.  What I photograph most regularly is live shows so music has been a huge part of my life.  I love catching what happens on stage and the interaction between the performer and their fans.  I love so many bands but my favorite musicians are the Smashing Pumpkins, IAMX, Radiohead, Muse, Thursday, Interpol, Rasputina, Emilie Autumn, The Dresden Dolls, local guys Flotation Walls and, of course, the bands Kill Hannah and Shiny Toy Guns who pretty much taught me to use my camera by shooting them so often.  As far as visual art goes I love the work of Kyle Cassidy, a documentary and portrait photographer, Pete Souza, the White House photographer, and digital artist Natalie Shau.  As the photographers go, their work really inspires me because they capture real life but show it at a different angle.  Show ordinary things in a new light.

JMT: Favorite photographers?

REB: It’ll sound corny but my favorite photo ever by another artist is probably this photo of the Obamas:

Most of my favorite photos have a very big photo journalistic aspect to them and Pete Souza is one of the best documentary photographers out there.  Other favorites are Kyle Cassidy, Kristen Burns, Philip Warner and Akif Hakan Celebi. As well, there are very talented photographers who are also in my photo program at CSCC.  I can’t wait to see what they do in the future.

JMT: What tends to catch your eye in a natural setting?

REB: While I have done some studio photography, most of my photos not taken at shows have come from random moments throughout the day, which is why I try to always have a camera with me.  Usually the way lights hit an object or just the ambiance of a scene.

Untitled (Photo by R. E. Barbash)

JMT: Is there a place in the arts for things like studio work or is that merely a means to an artistic end? (I.E. getting paid)

REB: I think if you think of yourself as an artist, then you’re an artist.  If you think of yourself as a corporate slave then that’s what you are.  Even photographers at Wal-Mart family portrait studios can have some artistic input to their shots.  Though most of my favorite photographers are actually more on the documentary side of things.  Beautiful things can be made out of ordinary every day scenes.  For example, just the other day, undeveloped negatives by street photographer Vivian Maier were just unveiled and I was captivated for hours looking at her photos of Chicago in the 1950s.  If this is your thing and you’re lucky, maybe you’ll get hired on by a magazine or newspaper.  But mostly photography is done for yourself.

JMT: To me, photography is akin to a poem in that it captures a point in time that you can never get back. Especially considering the way I write, a poem can be a little picture made of words and vice versa. There’s a beautiful marriage that happens when two art forms cross over. Considering books like the upcoming Flowers + Filth by photographer Lisa Johnson and lyricist wiL Francis, they can be put together to make a compelling and unique piece of art. Have you ever considered doing something of the sort

REB: That’s similar to Who Killed Amanda Palmer, the book. Photos and words can always work together.

The Shiny Toy Guns, April 2009 (Photo by R. E. Barbash)

JMT: Much like music testifies to a time or paintings reflect it’s surroundings, what is photography’s place in preserving our culture and why is it important?

REB: As far as preserving our culture, photography can not only capture events but it can show someone’s individual view of the world. Even though photography has been around for more than a hundred years it’s just beginning to be respected as an art form. Whether it’s a set up scene or documenting an event an exact scene happen again or be seen the same way by different eyes.  It’s important to freeze the moment so others can see what was there.

R. E. Barbash (Photo credit: Unknown)

(For more information visit R. E. Barbash Photography. Rachael currently attends CSCC.)

Baram on stage with Kill Hannah. Photo by R.E. Barbash

ser⋅en⋅dip⋅i⋅ty [ser-uhn-dip-i-tee] – (n.) – 1. an aptitude for making desirable discoveries by accident. 2. good fortune; luck

Serendipity is the only way to describe how Israeli-born guitarist Gil Baram wound up playing with Chicago’s unconquerable sons, Kill Hannah. A friend at the Musicians Institute (M.I.) in Hollywood, where Baram had attended, informed him that the band was holding auditions to replace departed guitarist Jonny Radtke. Familiar with the band and eager for a challenge, Baram spent a mere 24 hours with a portion of Kill Hannah’s catalog before stepping in front of Dan Wiese (guitars) and Elias Mallin (drums, and also a former Musicians Institute student). Less than a day later, before any final decisions had been made, Baram ran into Wiese and Mallin by chance at a restaurant next to his apartment; three hours later everyone was smiling and Baram had a home.

Gil has been playing music since age 14, beginning with a band in Israel before he came to the United States to attend M.I., where he formed a project called The Lure. (You can hear the remnants of The Lure on his MySpace page.) After The Lure’s breakup he made the transition to freelance musician as a business move and ran the gamut of fame in a relatively short time frame. Two weeks after graduating the Institute he was picked up to play for pop-superstar and poster-girl for abusive relationships, Rihanna. After that gig he auditioned again and was chosen for professional BMX rider Rick Thorne’s band, Good Guys in Black.

Baram’s first tour with Kill Hannah came earlier this year when they opened for Lacuna Coil. I was able to catch a couple shows with the new lineup. While some musicians are content to be a faceless tool on stage in exchange for a paycheck, Gil’s performance with Kill Hannah is a palpable wave of vigor and warmth, devouring the fans’ sweat-soaked energy and reciprocating his own. He moves, moshes and most of all, the guy can play.

Baram holds a fire for the art he creates. It’s a burning reminder for the pursuit of unshakable dreams, and the idea that the humanities don’t care if you’re in LA, Africa or the lost city of Atlantis—they’ll move you just the same. This is why they cannot die. We spoke last week over the phone, discussing everything from Kill Hannah’s extensive back catalog to the state of the humanities. Gil answered each query with an infectious excitement that promises the desperate ears of today that we will have worthy music for tomorrow.

Julie M. Tate: How did it feel to travel abroad to the Musicians Institute? Did it scare you or were you more anxious for the opportunity?

Gil Baram: I spent most of my life in Israel so coming here was about the best move I’ve ever done. It was terrifying and it was really hard for the first six months but totally worth it.

JMT: I must imagine the cultures are completely different.

GB: Yeah, it’s completely different—people in Israel act completely different. It’s like you walk on the street here and smile at strange people, they’ll probably smile back at you. In Israel if you smile at someone it doesn’t go that well. It’s just a totally different culture. I think it’s based on the constant conflict in Israel. Here people are focused on totally different problems and different day-to-day realities.

JMT: So you had to grow up with that constant conflict.

GB: Yeah. It sounds weird but you get used to it and it’s not a big deal. It’s a part of your thinking. You’re raised in a constant war and suddenly you’re in a place where people are raised in a constant kind of comfort. There’s strife around the U.S. and there’s shit going on but there’s kind of a sense of tranquility. They’re not as worried about survival.

JMT: Did you have a big record collection? Dealing with constant conflict I imagine music was a form of escape for you.

GB: Oh yeah, wow. Michael Jackson was the first concert I ever saw when I was like 12. What do I listen to? Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Cure, The Smashing Pumpkins, Pantera, Metallica, White Zombie, Pink Floyd, Prince…I like everything. When people ask me what I listen to I say “Slayer to Sinatra and everything in between.”

JMT: Why LA? Was the move to California a conscious decision or did you come to the States and end up in LA?

GB: I didn’t know where to go [career-wise] in Israel. When you’re in Israel you have this awesome concept of what the United States is—not that it isn’t—but you’re totally illusioned about it.

The more I tour and see the States I understand “why LA” and the more I dislike LA in a way. I look at Israel like Missoula, Montana: it’s a small place in the middle of nowhere. People in places in the middle of nowhere have a grand vision of LA: it’s “the place where dreams come true.”

JMT: Yeah, they definitely talk it up.

GB: If you want to be a hired gun, if you want to do gigs and sessions, there is no better place to be than LA. If you want to be in a band, there’s no worse place to be than in LA. The market is over saturated with bands from LA and to be honest there’s no real musical direction. There are good bands in LA but the fact you have to pay clubs to play there, that doesn’t really happen anywhere else around, does it?

There are a lot of hardworking bands that come here. It’s just rich kid central. There are kids who are 16 and their dad’s a movie star, and they go to places like the Key Club and buy out the place and play there. There’s no place to play in LA for a band. There are only other [LA] bands and their girlfriends. I’m totally trash-talking LA.

JMT: I do it all the time. It’s an easy city to hate. I have friends that are in bands in LA who shit-talk LA. Hell there are high profile bands, like Tool for example, who are based in LA and hate it too.

GB: Tool are known LA-haters aren’t they?

JMT: Exactly. So it’s not necessarily anything scandalous. It’s a double-edged sword because if you want gigs or opportunities, yes, LA is the place to be but at the same time you have to put up with all the bullshit.

GB: What you’re saying is 100% correct. Because LA is very good if you’re already “in the business” and you’re a successful band. LA is a great place if you want to get into the pop business, the hype business. If you want to start a band and really be a band? No.

Baram and former Kill Hannah guitarist Jonny Radtke. Photo by Darkroom Demons

JMT: So you’ve never wanted to stay a freelance musician, you’ve always wanted a permanent spot with a band?

GB: Definitely, definitely. I hate being a hired gun. I hate the pop side of music. It’s horrible, it’s fake and you’re like a very cheap tool. You’re not a person. You’re a guitar or a set of drums. In the hired gun world I know this guy and he’s 50 years old. He plays for Prince and he plays for Justin Timberlake and he’s made a shit load of money and he played for Rihanna for a little bit. After all that he’s still 50 and running around LA chasing gigs. So that is the world of the hired gun, and I’m over it.

JMT: You’re half that age and you’re already over it. That’s telling.

GB: I feel super lucky I get to play with Kill Hannah because when I first heard of them I only knew a bunch of songs. The deeper I dive into the catalog of the band the more I love it, the more epic it is. I like listening to really old stuff now like “Nerve Gas.”

JMT: Yeah, a lot of the older songs had a really huge feel, they filled up a room even straight from the album. Then you hear them live and they’re mind-blowing. There’s a lot of room in Kill Hannah because they don’t pigeon-hole you into one position. They have everything from pop to rock to almost experimental.

GB: Exactly, and that’s fucking awesome. That’s how music should be. It shouldn’t be defined by a genre, it should just be art.

JMT: Right now I’m sure your free time is pretty much consumed by Kill Hannah and trying to learn the back catalog, but do you still record original music at all?

GB: All of the stuff I did with my other band [The Lure] I wrote all the music and the singer wrote the lyrics. Right now though, yeah, I’m working on learning the Kill Hannah catalog. I do write, but Mat (Devine, vocals) is fucking awesome. I’m bewildered by his songwriting ability. The more I listen to his songs, the more I realize there are no producers behind that and he didn’t really learn any of that. He just writes that way. I’m in awe.

JMT: Well Mat’s method of thinking is admittedly a little tweaked. So the artistic things he produces, whether it’s his lyrics or his chord structures, tend to come out that way.

GB: I had this conversation with an A & R while I was going to school and he was telling me how he can listen to a band and know within ten seconds if a band has that “thing.” Which is usually like 1% of all the bands ever and listening to Kill Hannah you know that the band has that “thing,” that elusive 1% thing. It’s pretty awesome to be so close to it.

JMT: Well and in terms of songwriting getting to work with a musician like Dan must be refreshing as well. If you think of the music industry right now guitarists like Dan are rare in bands, in terms of the way he can layer a sonic landscape. The musicians you work with bring a lot to the table.

GB: I really like Dan’s playing. In a way it’s completely opposite to mine and it’s awesome in any way to be playing with someone who is totally different. Dan was playing me some stuff while we were learning the songs and I was like, “Oh that’s a guitar? Really?! You can play that? I thought that was a sample or something!” He’s like the creepy mad scientist, and he’s fucking epic about it. I feel like there’s so much room for me in the band. There are no restrictions and you’re able to put yourself in there.

JMT: Yeah, anything that can enhance and make it better. It’s not just “insert guitarist here.” Kill Hannah really aren’t about that, they want to add and grow.

GB: Exactly.

Photo by R. E. Barbash

JMT: Obviously you have a passion for music—you’ve been playing since you were young and moved half-way around the world to pursue it. Do you think the humanities are an important part of preserving our culture?

GB: The thing I hate the most about music in the past 10 years is I feel that a lot of the pop and mainstream is devoted to the art of making money and not the art of art. Growing up the only consolation you get from all the shit you go through every day, from being the outcast kid and all that shit, is the music. Which, between listening to bands like The Smashing Pumpkins and Pantera and all that stuff, it touches you somewhere. I don’t guess, I know that’s why people connect to Kill Hannah the way they do. So yeah, music has to mean something, has to talk about human emotions and what’s going on in the world today. Fuck yeah. It’s pointless if it doesn’t.

JMT: I’ve talked to people though, whose attitude is, “Oh, it’s just something I do. I have the means to do it so I’m going to do it.” They don’t want to get into it any deeper than that. They like it because their friends do it and it helps them get laid. To me if it’s worth a shit it has to mean something more than that.

GB: Exactly. If it has any sort of value what you’re saying is absolutely correct. Because whoever is in this business to make money is A: an idiot and B: in the wrong business. Because there’s nothing better than getting the connection with fans when you’re playing on stage and just knowing that people are vibing off what you play, or people are singing back the lyrics to you. That they actually take the time and are touched by the music. When you listened to the new album you remember a song called “Vultures,” right? Or “Sad Eyes?”

JMT: Yeah.

GB: Where Mat says “love must be just for idiots?”

JMT: Yeah, I remember.

GB: You know exactly what that means right? And so do I but it means two totally different things to you and me, and it probably means something totally different to Mat. But that’s what makes it art.

JMT: See I love to hear people still talking like this because if there’s one thing I try and re-iterate to people it’s that these things are still important, even in the Information Age. We shouldn’t reduce great works of art to entries on Wikipedia. This thinking still exists in two totally different places: I’m in the middle of the Bible Belt and you’re in a city that’s commercialized the humanities arguably more than any other.

GB: I don’t think it’ll ever die out, you know? Because there’s always going to be people using music for what it should be, as an escape or a communication form. Whoever does music to please people and thinks they can give people what they want is dead wrong. That’s one of the things you see in LA, people doing the trendy thing, doing whatever works. They don’t get it. But all those bands that make that “thing” work, make it work because what they’re doing is original and touches people in some sort of way. You can’t imitate that. You’ve got to do it your own way.

(Kill Hannah are currently gearing up for a month-long tour with She Wants Revenge beginning September 8th. Their upcoming album, Wake Up the Sleepers, is slated for release on September 29th through Original Signal Recordings. A digital 45 featuring the album’s first single, “New York City Speed” plus a B-side, will be available on iTunes on August 18th. Check www.killhannah.com and www.myspace.com/killhannah for details. Listen to the latest sneak peek from WUTS, “Strobe Lights,” at www.purevolume.com/killhannah. Download “New York City Speed” for FREE here. Song uploaded with permission.)

John Bourke - photo courtsey of Matthew Isaac

A few weeks ago I touched on the idea that it takes very little to be called an “artist” anymore. In a world where you can learn virtually anything with the click of a button, the margin to distinguish between amateur and professional is quickly getting smaller. DJing in particular is an art full of misconceptions. While I would never call myself a DJ by any means (my play lists are as manic-depressive as I am), because of my network of friends I have a small working knowledge of what’s required to keep a party moving forward into the waiting arms of dawn. In this case one is required to own a mental Rolodex of songs spanning decades and a near spider-sense of anticipation for the sweating mass in front of you. Both DJ and dancer have a sort of symbiotic relationship—because they move you sustain momentum, and if they aren’t moving then you aren’t doing your job.

John Bourke is a 26 year-old DJ and producer based in Oklahoma City. He’s also one-half of the sleazy, electro-punk duo Trash Yourself (alongside another Oklahoma native, Heidi Cannon). Although he’s considerably younger than powerhouse DJs such as Tommie Sunshine and DJ AM, that hasn’t stopped him from playing some of the hottest parties of the year, including SXSW in Austin and Debonair Social Club’s 4-year anniversary with Dark Wave Disco in Chicago. Even mega-companies such as Warner Brothers and Capcom have licensed his services.

Not bad for a boy from a state where there isn’t much support for the electro/house scene. Consequentially there isn’t much competition either, and what talent you’ll find has banded together under the name Dance Robots Dance, a self-proclaimed “international DJ collective based out of the unlikely state of Oklahoma.” DRD hosts a hugely successful dance party called Robotic every Wednesday at Kamps in Oklahoma City. While it might not seem so superficially, this is a lesson every artist would do well to learn: If you can’t find a home for the art you create, then build one.

I spoke with John shortly after he’d finished producing a few tracks for the upcoming Kill Hannah album, Wake Up the Sleepers, and discussed Trash Yourself, what makes a “good” DJ, his influences and getting the hell out of Oklahoma.

“Oklahoma isn’t a great place to network for dance music.”

Julie M. Tate: Since the majority of us only spend time on the dance floor and not behind the tables we only have one side of the party. What prompted you to start remixing/producing?

John Bourke: Just loved the music. Pretty much as simple as that. I loved electronic sounds and wanted to figure out how to make them.

JMT: Describe your first DJ set.

JB: Man, I can’t even remember. I did some Live PA and band stuff before DJing. But the first one I can remember was at this club Sanctuary in OKC that (DJ and Rise Up Productions founder) Unadave was running. I was playing breaks at the time with (Sanctuary resident) DJ Phenom. We had been producing music and then he invited me to DJ with him. I didn’t really know the mixer that I was using but I made my way through it with maybe a bad mix or two.

JMT: As far as DJ’s go, you’re not necessarily “unknown.” Warner Brothers has licensed your music for the Matrix DVD box set and Capcom has licensed your music for Final Fight: Streetwise. Do you make certain songs to cater to outlets like this and others for the dance floor, or do corporations generally come to you?

JB: Anything I have done licensing-wise was in a situation where they approached me to license a song. I haven’t ever really made music specifically with film or TV in mind—I’ve just been lucky enough where someone thought it fit their format and sent me an email.

JMT: With acts like the Shiny Toy Guns and the infamous Flaming Lips, Oklahoma has seen its share of talent succeed outside these southern walls. For electronic/experimental acts do you think it’s wise to aim for the outside market or try and build around a relatively untapped market here in this state?

JB: Well, its sounds so cliché now but with the internet you can really do anything from anywhere. Oklahoma is a great place to live and write but there’s a plateau here—you can’t network and meet people that are excited to help you build your career. You really have to get out of here every once in a while to network. Oklahoma isn’t a great place to network for dance music.

!Trash Yourself live at Debonair Social Club, 2009. Photo courtesy of darkroomdemons.com

JMT: Did it take long to “come up” in the scene here? Although you’ve been DJing for eight years, your band Trash Yourself is still relatively new. Was it easier because of said market or more difficult because it isn’t as promoted in Oklahoma?

JB: We still haven’t ever played a Trash Yourself show in Oklahoma City. Kinda weird I guess. We play all over the country, but there hasn’t been an occasion here that’s been appropriate I guess. We usually only do really crazy electro parties or large events like massive raves. It’s almost easier in a sense for people in other cities to dig on what you do.

JMT: Trash Yourself has gained recognition from SXSW to playing the 4-year anniversary at Chicago’s Debonair Social Club. How do gigs like those generally come about? They aren’t exactly low profile.

JB: A lot of it is just traveling and talking to people. There is a lot to be said for meeting people face to face. We kind of have a good rep from throwing parties in OKC. A lot of people know me from that. Hopefully people enjoy the music also and that’s why they call on me to play their party.

“It is important to be surrounded by people that know more than you at your craft.”

JMT: You’ve co-authored songs for the Shiny Toy Guns and currently have wrapped up production on some songs for the new Kill Hannah album coming out in September. How was that experience?

JB: Chicago was great! I had a lot of fun with all the guys. The studio we worked in was amazing. It was a legit major studio. (Chicago Recording Company) Smashing Pumpkins recorded their albums there so we were in the rooms that songs like “1979” and “Tonight, Tonight” were recorded in. It was very inspiring, I learned a lot from the experience. I hung out with Shiny Toy Guns in LA when they were recording their last album at NRG studios. That was pretty rad too. It is important to be surrounded by people that know more than you at your craft. That’s one thing that’s been hard about living in Oklahoma—there isn’t much of an artist community for musicians.

JMT: How does producing other artist’s music differ from producing your own? Aren’t you working on the debut record for Trash Yourself?

JB: Well for the Kill Hannah project. The singer Mat (Devine, lead vocalist) had the songs written but only had demo mixes. There were just really roughly made on a keyboard with few tracks, and a rough vocal. My job was to recreate the parts but with updated sound and feel. So it was more polishing everything, detailing, and adding textures rather than writing. I tried to keep the integrity of what Kill Hannah wanted. Greg (Corner, bassist) sat in on several sessions with me so that I knew it was going in the right direction. With Trash Yourself, I just kinda do whatever the hell loud noisy music I want.

(For a preview of John’s work in the studio with Kill Hannah, download the track “New York City Speed” from their upcoming album Wake Up the Sleepers HERE. You can also download John’s remix of “Crazy Angel” from the album Until There’s Nothing Left of Us, HERE. Links used with permission.)

!Trash Yourself with Greg Corner of Kill Hannah, 2009. Photo courtsey of darkroomdemons.com

JMT: You’ve worked on more than one occasion with wunderkind the Toxic Avenger, a self-proclaimed fan of Weezer and The Smiths. His history also includes playing in various punk and hardcore bands throughout the years. Do any of your influences fall outside the electro/dance scene?

JB: Yeah, definitely. My roots are industrial from when I was like 15 or so. I was a big NIN fan. Unfortunately I don’t have much time to listen to music other than dance music right now. I did just get the M83 album Saturdays = Youth, which I love. Chad (Petree, guitarist/vocalist) from Shiny Toy Guns made me get it. I suggest all of you do too. My next project will probably be a band that falls somewhere in between Cut Copy and M83.

“…maybe you don’t have to be on MTV anymore. There are other ways to gain fans now.”

JMT: The DJ/house culture has been around for years and sometimes is responsible for launching a sub-par song into the mainstream. That being said, do you feel the scene could get/needs more recognition or is it doing fine with the momentum thus far?

JB: I think with people like the Crookers blowing up and having their remix of Day N Nite played everywhere, things are going pretty good. That’s an example of what a remix can do. That remix was everywhere. It got so big it eventually made the original popular about a year later. When I was in Chicago Crookers played at a theater there and had over 3,000 people come out. Other major rock acts weren’t getting that many people there. Just shows that maybe you don’t have to be on MTV anymore. There are other ways to gain fans now.

JMT: Speaking of the popularity of remixing, so-called “DJ Schools” like DubSpot in NYC have reportedly seen a major increase in enrollment, in part due to the recession and partly due to the fact it’s “hip” at the moment to be a DJ. I think the mainstream consensus is if you own a CD collection you can DJ as well. Do you believe someone can be “taught” to be a good DJ?

JB: Teaching helps, but I don’t think its at all necessary. If you want to learn something you will learn. It is really as simple as that. There are so many videos on Youtube, and magazines that teach you anything anymore. Almost everything I know about engineering audio is from the internet and mags at Barnes and Noble. There’s no secrets anymore. This is the Information Age.

JMT: While you still regularly hold down DJ sets at Robotic in OKC, are you trying to make a move as well? Heidi splits time between NYC and OKC, and Fellow Robotic DJ Joshua Distance has already made the move to Austin, TX.

JB: I’m definitely ready to move. I need a change of pace. Either LA or NYC…or both. I just have a few things I’m trying to take care of here first. I fly a lot though, so I’ll always be making stops in OKC.

(John Bourke is currently on tour. For a list of tour dates click below or visit any of the following sites: !Trash Yourself on Myspace, John Bourke on Myspace or John Bourke on Twitter)

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(This is the continuation of the interview I’ve conducted with singer/songwriter Jessica Allyn. This is part 3 of 3. Part 1 can be found here. and part 2 can be found here. Once again, I’d like to thank Ms. Allyn for taking time out of her busy schedule to do this interview and wish her the best of luck in the pursuit of all of her dreams.)

Part 3 | Technology and what it means for artists (present and future):

JMT: It’s no secret spoken word and writing have been dying a slow death since the invention of internet slang, texting, Twitter etc. While the internet is a great tool, a lot of meaning can get lost in the mix of today’s give-it-to-me-now-in-140-characters-or-less-attention-span. You almost have to capture your entire message in one song in the hope to hook your audience to come back for more. Do you agree and, if so, does this put more pressure on you as an artist to deliver?

JA: Look, I’m addicted to Twitter and blogging just like everyone else. But I cannot convey my essence in 140 characters or one song. The same way you can’t meet a person one time and know their whole life story. The record is only 6 songs for a reason; I knew a person’s attention span wouldn’t last through an entire musical. So I ended up having to try and cram 15 years into 20 minutes. There was a lot of pressure in that respect.

(It’s sort of like walking into a room of people and not having the bandwidth or the time to figure out which ones you want to deal with. But if you find those one or two people wearing Cure t-shirts you can make an educated guess and walk over fairly confident you’re going to have a decent conversation. – J. T.)

JMT: The art of buying a record is on life support, complete with a doomsday clock ticking down to the day when we’ll all be pouring out 40oz of malt beverage in remembrance. It’s sad since tangibility is part of what makes records really great—actually holding them and seeing the effort in the packaging and artwork. I think this goes back, again, to the “gimmie” attitude of society. CD and record collections aren’t practical anymore when you can download 5000 songs to your iPod. This makes things much easier when trying to get your work into the hands of an audience—but at a price. That being said, do you feel giving up the tangible part of a record is a necessary sacrifice to reach an audience these days?

JA: I actually have a hard time swallowing the reality of that. But, unfortunately it seems necessary to make such sacrifices these days. There was so much more I could have done with I Am a Camera had I not been so restricted by the rules of digital music sales. The artwork, the notations, the lyric sheets all lost to a 600×600 (pixel) front cover and a “buy now” button. I remember reserving copies of records in stores, waiting for the release date to rush out and get it, holding my own copy, cracking it open and pressing play. I definitely miss that. It makes me sad that this generation is growing up and will never have that experience; they don’t cherish it. Everything is handed to them on a silver platter, everything is quick, easy and one click away. It (the generation) lacks appreciation for the art itself. As an artist you quickly realize the sacrifice might be necessary. The reality is painfully present. At the same time there are still ways to showcase “the art that got away” as I’ve started to call it. But it’ll never compare.

Jessica Allyn (Taken from her Facebook page)

The Artistic Temperament:

JMT: This final question is asked mostly for my sheer morbid enjoyment, as I’ve been immersed in literature about manic-depression and the artistic temperament for months now. George Gordon Byron (Lord Byron) once remarked: “We of the craft are all crazy.” And in fact many of history’s greatest poets, painters, architects and composers have been afflicted with some type of affective disorder. Presently I’d extend the definition of Byron’s “we” to include lyricists as well who’ve been “touched with a fine madness.” Based either on personal experience or from observation does that sound like an accurate assessment?

JA: Of all the artists I’ve known, myself included, that statement is so true. I once read a book that said: “People who are often depressed usually have a more realistic perspective on things, than that of a ‘happy’ person.” I don’t think that is true all of the time, or for everyone. But for me it’s a fact. They call it “Depressive realism:” “People without depression are more likely to have inflated self-images and look at the world through rose-colored glasses, because of cognitive dissonance and other defense mechanisms.” I also believe being “touched with a fine madness” allows you to go deeper when creating, you’ll go to the edge. You’re more willing to be brutally honest, because you’ve got nothing to lose.

(Jessica Allyn resides in New York, New York. While nothing is “official” yet, she is currently in talks with one of Long Island’s oldest lesbian bars for a possible residency and will be doing open mic nights all around the NYC area this Summer. Visit JessicaAllyn.com or her Myspace page for details and tour dates as they become available.)